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OT - Baylor football team....
this is why you should always wear jeans/khakis, tennis shoes with socks ... even a Tshirt under your shirt .... ladies, do the same ... never wear heels, nylons, skirts ... you may only get one chance to run through something like this ....

"I like thinking big. If you're going to be thinking anything, you might as well think big." ... Donald Trump

(10-31-2016, 07:26 AM)CookF16 Wrote: this is why you should always wear jeans/khakis, tennis shoes with socks ... even a Tshirt under your shirt .... ladies, do the same ... never wear heels, nylons, skirts ... you may only get one chance to run through something like this ....

No heels and tight skirts? Doubt you will see a lot of support for this...
(10-31-2016, 08:21 AM)Ken Wrote:
(10-31-2016, 07:26 AM)CookF16 Wrote: this is why you should always wear jeans/khakis, tennis shoes with socks ... even a Tshirt under your shirt .... ladies, do the same ... never wear heels, nylons, skirts ... you may only get one chance to run through something like this ....

No heels and tight skirts?  Doubt you will see a lot of support for this...

lol ... prolly not ... but there is a reason the flight attendants tell people to shed their heels before going down the slide ... poking a hole in that would not be a crowd pleaser ...
"I like thinking big. If you're going to be thinking anything, you might as well think big." ... Donald Trump

(10-31-2016, 07:09 AM)Ken Wrote: Given that planes are some of the dirtiest places imaginable I never wear shorts or flip flops.

About Baylor, dressing for a game the same way you would dress for the beach does not set the right mental tone for the team.  There is a reason Saban and Dabo demand a certain level of decorum and respect for the game.  We have casual Fridays at work but don't dress down on days where we have a big meeting or entertain customers.

I'm a person that actually believes the little things are important - and dressing like the game is serious is important.  Maybe a coat & tie are unnecessary, but I think there should be a level of reverence given to the gameday attire.  I would expect at least business casual - or a team "uniform" like khakis and a team polo style shirt or button up.  In fact, that would be pretty spiffy and probably help sell some merchandise.

Edit: That said - with me being fat this summer & it being blazing hot, I've been in shorts in the office anytime I don't have clients coming in...and sometimes then, too.
(10-31-2016, 07:26 AM)CookF16 Wrote: this is why you should always wear jeans/khakis, tennis shoes with socks ... even a Tshirt under your shirt .... ladies, do the same ... never wear heels, nylons, skirts ... you may only get one chance to run through something like this ....

Well colonel the next time I am being shipped via Fedex I will dress as you suggest.
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I'm surprised they get to play football at all given the scandal.
Baylor's Kendal Briles, NCAA discuss potential recruiting infractions
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Brett McMurphyMark Schlabach
Baylor offensive coordinator Kendal Briles met with NCAA officials in Indianapolis on Wednesday regarding potential recruiting violations, sources said.

The NCAA says Briles had improper contact with a recruit. Baylor officials are attempting to get the level of infractions reduced, a source said. Specific details about the alleged violations weren't immediately known.

Briles' meeting with NCAA officials came the day before his 34th birthday. A source said the NCAA investigation is not related to the school's ongoing sexual assault scandal.


Baylor donors call for transparency from school
Prominent Baylor alumni and donors advocated for reforming the school's board of regents and demanded transparency from university leaders Thursday.
In 2015, Baylor officials suspended Briles one game for a violation related to evaluations of prospective recruits in the spring of 2015. Briles, the son of former Baylor coach Art Briles, and receiver coach Tate Wallis were suspended and not allowed to coach in the 2015 season opener against Lamar.

In January 2015, Sports Illustrated reported that the NCAA was looking into whether Briles committed a violation by visiting 2015 recruit J.W. Ketchum during a noncontact period in the fall of 2014.

SI reported that NCAA investigators had contacted officials at Ketchum's Marshall High School in Missouri City, Texas, about the alleged visit.

Briles has been at Baylor since 2008 and is in his second season as Bears offensive coordinator. He is regarded as the Bears' top recruiter and was named Big 12 recruiter of the year in 2014 by the websites Rivals, Scout and 247Sports.

Baylor athletics director Mack Rhoades didn't respond to text messages seeking comment on Thursday night, and a university spokesman also declined to comment. NCAA rules prevent universities from commenting on ongoing investigations.

Last week, Briles and other Baylor assistant coaches released a statement via Twitter, in which they disputed claims by a board of regents member that Art Briles was aware of an alleged gang rape involving former Bears players and didn't report it to proper authorities.

Art Briles, who guided the Bears to a 65-37 record and at least a share of two Big 12 titles from 2008 to '15, was fired May 26 after an investigation by Philadelphia law firm Pepper Hamilton found widespread problems with the way Baylor responded to allegations of sexual assault by students, including several football players. University president Kenneth Starr was demoted and then fired, and McCaw was suspended and then resigned.

On Monday, acting head coach Jim Grobe announced that running back Shock Linwood was suspended for Saturday's game with Oklahoma because of "attitude issues." A source told ESPN that Linwood had a "dustup" during last week's TCU game and shoved a graduate assistant coach on the sideline.
Baylor's Heath Nielsen arrested, accused of assaulting reporter

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Baylor associate athletics director Heath Nielsen was arrested for assaulting a reporter on the field following the Bears' 62-22 loss to TCU at home on Nov. 5.
According to KWTX-TV of Waco, Texas, Nielsen was arrested three days later and charged with misdemeanor assault with bodily injury.
He was freed on bond and hasn't attended the Bears' last two football games against Oklahoma and Kansas State.
Baylor officials declined to comment on Monday night, saying they don't talk about personnel matters.


According to an arrest warrant obtained by KWTX-TV, Nielsen confronted reporter James McBride on the field while he was taking a photograph with an unidentified Baylor player.

McBride, who writes for The Blaze News in Keller, Texas, told police that Nielsen grabbed him by the throat with his right hand, squeezed and pushed him away from the football player.

The warrant said McBride had visible scratches on his neck and complained of pain around his throat.

The warrant said photographs were taken of McBride's injuries, and security cameras at McLane Stadium recorded the incident.

"I had asked the player if I could take a photo with him [and] he said yes," Mc Bride told KWTX. "I was leaning back to take the photo. I heard somebody who I didn't know at this point in time yell from my right-hand side, saying 'no interviews on the field.'

"About that time they came in and tomahawk-chopped, trying to knock the phone that I had taken the picture with out of my hand. They were unsuccessful in trying to do that, and when they couldn't do that they came up and they grabbed my throat, and I pulled back. Whenever I looked up I saw that it was Heath Nielsen," he said.

Right after the incident, McBride said, Nielsen told him, "You'll never [expletive] work in this business again. You're abusing your privileges on the field."

Nielsen has worked the past 17 years at Baylor and his job duties include working directly with the Baylor football program and media. According to the school's website, Nielsen is "responsible for management of the public image of the program. Nielsen is the program's spokesman, the liaison between local and national media, and the primary contact with television and radio networks that broadcast Baylor games."

In October 2014, the Big 12 publicly reprimanded him for Twitter comments about officiating during the Baylor-West Virginia game. The conference fined the school $1,000 fine for his comments.
What a calamity in Waco.
I understand there is a move afoot to rename Waco to Wak-o.
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The news you get coming out of that place certainly fits, Mr. Joe.
Our coaches and team approach is one of taking care of business. Not too many occasions are you going to walk into a business meeting or interview looking like you just came in from the beach or gym. All sorts of reasons for Dabo to have the dress code, not the least of which is preparing them to be a cut above the competition in life.
Art Briles, Baylor assistants kept players' misbehavior under wraps, legal documents reveal

Former Baylor coach Art Briles and his assistant coaches actively intervened in the discipline of football players, worked to keep their cases under wraps and tried to arrange legal representation for their players, according to a series of emails and text messages released by three university regents in a legal filing Thursday.

The document filed in a Dallas County court was in response to a libel lawsuit that former football director of operations Colin Shillinglaw had filed Tuesday against the school and several members of its senior leadership.

The regents' response alleges Briles and his coaching staff created a disciplinary "black hole" into "which reports of misconduct such as drug use, physical assault, domestic violence, brandishing of guns, indecent exposure and academic fraud disappeared."

Shillinglaw and former assistant athletic director Tom Hill were fired in May, after lawyers with Philadelphia law firm Pepper Hamilton, hired by Baylor to assess the school's handling of sexual violence complaints, found systematic failures in the way Baylor responded to allegations of sexual assault and other violence by students, including football players. The investigation led to the firing of Briles, the demotion and eventual departure of university president and chancellor Ken Starr, and the sanctioning and resignation of athletic director Ian McCaw.

In an email to ESPN, Shillinglaw's attorney, Gaines West, called Thursday's filing "very unorthodox."

"It's really hard to discern just what it is these defendants assert. We are anxious for the complete truth to come out, instead of just a bunch of disconnected accusations," he wrote.

Ever since the university issued a summary of Pepper Hamilton's findings in May, there has been an outcry -- particularly vocal among supporters of Briles and the football program -- to release the specific findings from the investigation, with the belief by some that those details would exonerate the coaches.

Rampant misconduct by Baylor football players under former coach Art Briles was detailed in a series of emails and text messages released by the university in a legal filing Thursday. Joe Faraoni/ESPN Images
On Wednesday, Briles dropped his defamation suit against three regents and Baylor vice president Reagan Ramsower, less than a week after another woman filed a Title IX lawsuit against the school, in which her attorneys allege there were 52 sexual assaults committed by "not less" than 31 players from 2011 to '14.

Among the information released in Thursday's legal filing is a description of what happened when the former girlfriend of Baylor defensive end Shawn Oakman reported that Oakman physically abused her. She made a report to Waco police, and brought a copy of it to Shillinglaw and "two other people she believed to be assistant football coaches." The response to the lawsuit states, "There was no evidence that Shillinglaw or anyone in the football program shared the report with Baylor officials outside of the Athletics Department. Worse, when Pepper Hamilton questioned Shillinglaw about the incident and showed him evidence of his involvement, Shillinglaw insisted he did not recall anything about it."

The woman, a Baylor student, declined to pursue the criminal case and left the state. She returned to Baylor in the summer and fall sessions of 2013 but withdrew after more encounters with Oakman. In January 2015, the woman and her mother met with a learning accommodation specialist at Baylor who, upon hearing her story, immediately contacted judicial affairs, the Title IX office, student life and the office of general counsel. The legal filing states the specialist wrote, "I haven't seen a student as scared and upset as she was in a long time. She mentioned that she lives in constant fear, 24 hours a day she is scared that [Oakman] or his friends will come beat her up. The mom also talked about Baylor protecting the guy because he is a Baylor football player and that he had an assault record before he was at Baylor."

According to the response, the first allegation of gang rape involving Baylor football players surfaced in April 2013, when a female student-athlete confided in her coach that five players raped her at an off-campus party in early 2012. According to the response, the woman told her coach that the incident "started with one football player and the other players were soon 'all over her.'" She identified each of the players who allegedly sexually assaulted her, and the coach wrote their names on a piece of paper.

The regents' response says the woman's coach -- Outside the Lines previously confirmed the coach was former Baylor volleyball coach Jim Barnes -- addressed the woman's allegations with McCaw, who told him to talk to Briles. The response says Barnes showed Briles the names of the players and he replied, "Those are some bad dudes. Why was she around those guys?" The response says Briles "offered no defense of his players and told the coach he should have his student-athlete inform the police and prosecute." McCaw allegedly told the coach that if his player didn't press charges, there wasn't anything the athletic department could do.

The response says the woman's mother later met with a football assistant coach at an off-campus delicatessen and provided him the names of two of the five players who allegedly sexually assaulted her daughter. The assistant talked to the players, who claimed it was consensual and "fooling around" and "just a little bit of playtime." The assistant coach said he contacted other Baylor coaches. According to the legal filing, their "apparent response was to engage in victim-blaming." The assistant concluded the accusations were in a "gray area," and Pepper Hamilton attorneys found that no one, including Briles, notified police, judicial affairs or anyone outside of athletics about the alleged gang rape.

Briles and other coaches would state that any failure to report accusations of assault or related behavior was due to the fact that Baylor lacked any clear instructions on what to do, noting that the university did not have a Title IX office until November 2014 and that none of the coaches received proper training. But the response filed Thursday would note that Briles should have been aware that judicial affairs had jurisdiction in investigating allegations of sexual assault because on April 23, 2013, "the very same day Coach Briles learned about the student-athlete's account of being gang raped -- he was forwarded a letter stating that Judicial Affairs had investigated and cleared another one of his players of sexual assault allegations."

The 54-page response to the lawsuit notes several other incidents that football coaches knew about but were never reported to judicial affairs. On Feb. 11, 2013, when a coach notified Briles that a female student-athlete complained that a football player had brandished a gun at her, it states that Briles responded, "what a fool -- she reporting to authorities." It states the assistant responded, "She's acting traumatized ... Trying to talk to her calm now ... Doesn't seem to want to report though."

In one of the messages, dated April 8, 2011, the response notes that Briles sent a text message to an assistant coach, referencing a freshman defensive tackle who was cited for illegal alcohol consumption, "Hopefully he's under radar enough they won't recognize name - did he get ticket from Baylor police or Waco? ... Just trying to keep him away from our judicial affairs folks. ... "

In reference to a player who was arrested for assault and threatening to kill a non-athlete, a football operations staff member "tried to talk the victim out of pressing criminal charges," the document states. The correspondence from Sept. 20, 2013, quotes Briles in a text to McCaw, "Just talked to [the player] - he said Waco PD was there - said they were going to keep it quiet - Wasn't a set up deal ... I'll get shill [Shillinglaw] to ck on Sibley." (Sibley was in reference to Waco attorney Jonathan Sibley.) It states McCaw responded, "That would be great if they kept it quiet."

Briles again referenced having Shillinglaw contact Sibley on behalf of an athlete in an Aug. 15, 2015, exchange regarding a player who was arrested for possession of marijuana. Briles texts an unidentified assistant coach and asks, "Do we know who complained?" The response to the lawsuit states the assistant coach responded that it was the superintendent at the player's apartment complex, to which Briles replied, "We need to know who (sic) supervisor is and get him to alert us first."

Some of the other exchanges were:

A September 2013 text from Shillinglaw to Briles about a player who allegedly exposed himself to a masseuse, who had a lawyer and was asking the athletic department to handle the situation with discipline and counseling. Briles responded, "What kind of discipline ...She a stripper?" and after Shillinglaw responded that the player was at a salon and spa for the massage, Briles texted, "Not quite as bad."

In October 2013, Shillinglaw and Briles corresponded about a player who was suspended for repeated drug violations. "Bottom line, he has to meet with [Vice President for Student Life Kevin] Jackson tomorrow morning. If Jackson does not reinstate President will," Shillinglaw wrote.

A May 2014 exchange showed Briles and an assistant coach arranging for a player who was caught selling drugs to transfer to another school, noting the offense was never reported to judicial affairs. The assistant coach is quoted as texting, "Him just hanging around Waco scares me. [Another school] will take him. Knows baggage."

The regents' response also claims Briles personally appealed to Starr on behalf of former Bears defensive lineman Tevin Elliott when he was charged with a second count of plagiarism, which made him ineligible for the 2011 season. After Elliott missed an April 2011 appeal deadline, according to the response, Briles "personally took up Elliott's cause more than two months later" in June.

"The coach notified President Starr in an email that Elliott wanted to appeal the suspension," the response says. "The unusual request by Coach Briles triggered concern among top Baylor administrators, who complained to President Starr and among themselves that overturning Elliott's suspension after the appeal deadline would send a message that athletes were above the rules."

The response says Elliott's appeal letter was suspect and "appeared to have been authored by an academic advisor in the Athletics Department. Nevertheless, President Starr ignored the decision of his Provost and overturned the suspension."

In another break with university policy, according to the response, Starr put Elliott under the probationary watch of the athletic department and not judicial affairs, which was responsible for overseeing enforcement of the school's honor code. Because of Starr's decision, the athletic department became the sole arbiter of whether Elliott was complying with the terms of his probation and what consequences he should suffer if he failed to adhere to them, according to the response.

In the fall of 2011, according to the response, Elliott had "attendance problems, was in danger of flunking his human performance class and was caught cheating on quizzes." On Oct. 21, 2011, an athletic department employee wrote to McCaw: "Wow, what is this kid thinking?" McCaw replied: "Unbelievable!"

On April 1, 2012, a woman told Waco police that Elliott raped her at her apartment three days earlier. Two weeks later, on April 15, Jasmin Hernandez told police that Elliott raped her behind a pool house near one of his teammates' townhomes. When the coaches learned of the allegation, an assistant coach texted Briles and told him that Elliott "firmly denies even knowing the girl." But, after interviewing Elliott the next day, the assistant told Briles that Elliott "admitted he lied to us. He was with her and said when she said stop he did."

"Wow - not good - I'll call you later," Briles replied.

When the assistant texted Briles later and told him that Elliott had been contacted by Waco police, Briles replied: "Dang it."

On Jan. 24, 2014, Elliott was convicted of raping Hernandez and was sentenced to the maximum 20 years in prison and a $10,000 fine. His trial would reveal accusations by three other women that he raped them and a conviction of misdemeanor physical assault of another.

"The Athletics Department's unwillingness to crack down enabled Elliott to stay at Baylor and play football," the regents' response says.

But Thursday's legal filing notes that the messages were collected by the Pepper Hamilton law firm that was investigating Baylor's response to sexual violence. "There could be dozens more, but Pepper Hamilton believed it had compiled enough to support a conclusion that those in charge of the football program, including Shillinglaw, improperly covered up disciplinary problems other than sexual assault," it stated.

The response to Shillinglaw's libel suit filed Thursday was on behalf of three regents he had named as defendants -- chairman Ron Murff, Cary Gray and David Harper -- who were represented by Houston attorney Rusty Hardin. Hardin said the regents felt compelled in defending themselves personally against the lawsuit to release the information, even though Hardin said it does expose the university even more in the defense of its six pending Title IX lawsuits, four of which include women who said they were raped by football players. The response reads less like a legal document and more like a narrative for Baylor's entire sexual assault saga, explaining why the regents had remained mostly silent but were pressured to release details of the evidence against Briles and the coaching staff in light of the groundswell of opposition to his firing -- widely seen this past fall at football games where people wore black T-shirts or carried black banners with the hashtag #CAB for "Coach Art Briles."

Thursday's legal filing recounted a meeting that Baylor alumni and donors had with regents, who were unwilling to share more details of the investigation, citing privacy concerns. It stated that the regents tried to explain why they couldn't keep people whom they found responsible for Title IX failure because that would not uphold the "mission of the university." It quoted a donor as responding, "If you mention Baylor's mission one more time, I'm going to throw up. ... I was promised a national championship."

The response noted that the regents could no longer "allow Coach Briles' supporters to continue polluting the record," and had a "right and a duty to set the record straight."

"When a college football coach goes 6-7, 5-7, and 5-7 for three consecutive years, no one blinks an eye when the coach is fired. But when at least 17 women report sexual and physical assaults involving at least 19 football players, including allegations of four gang rapes, why is anyone shocked by his dismissal?" it stated. "Contrary to some people's belief, Briles was not a 'scapegoat' for the University's larger problems -- he was part of the larger problem."

Briles' attorney, Ernest Cannon, could not be reached Thursday for comment and did not respond to a text message or email.

With social media reaction already calling for the NCAA to take action against Baylor in light of the new information, Hardin said Baylor should be commended for hiring Pepper Hamilton, releasing the highly critical results of the investigation and firing its head coach at a time when most other colleges confronted with such allegations would just quietly pay off the victims and not investigate further.

"At the end of the day, I'm hoping that the NCAA and others will recognize that instead of punishing Baylor, they ought to be saluted," he said. "I think they ought to be held up as a model for how to respond."
That reads like the Penn State scandal...only the names and places have been changed.
Uncle Salty     "...while beggars can't be choosers, choosers rarely have to be beggars."
Yeah, so the whole "Briles didn't know" thing?

Oh and Briles withdrew his suit earlier in week without a settelement...and do we really believe his son, who Lane Kiffin just hired, didn't know about this stuff?
See the issue with a defamation/libel/slander case is that the statements have to be
Baylor assistant strength coach Brandon Washington fired after solicitation charge
What a healthy culture they've developed down there.
Art Briles will never coach football again.
Big 12 will dock Baylor 25 percent of revenue pending outcome of review.

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